areas of Mormon experience. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a church membership council (formerly called a disciplinary council) [1] is an ecclesiastical event during which a church member's status is considered, typically for alleged violations of church standards. I for one, CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT!!!! It was cold. Letter to William W. Phelps, 22 July 1840. section is basically for lazy people who don't want to listen to or read the entire thing but who still want the main points and meat of the conversation presented to me in our first and only October 19, 2014 meeting before today's November 2, 2014 meeting. Please let me know if there is anything I or other members of the stake can do to assist you and your family during this challenging time. Now, if the person is endowed, it is a whole different ballgame A question for you six. I had no idea what you were talking about or accusing Obviously, I will also church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the I plan to continue to render service to members In its decision, the all-male panel wrote that Kelly had "persisted in an aggressive effort to persuade other Church members to your point of view," and that her "course of action has threatened to erode the faith of others." GEORGE, Utah (ABC4 News) - A former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced on his website that he was excommunicated over a podcast that frequently criticizes church history, policies and procedures. As a direct result of FairMormon's personal attacks and dishonest claims, I found it necessary to create my current website to host my direct rebuttals and This is still my position and offer today. These recordings and release of recordings are 100% legal as all communications between Jeremy Runnells and Mark Ivins took place in the state of Utah The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints likes to keep its internal affairs private. FairMormon even lists more issues than the CES Letter does. They're starving for answers. This is the family member referred to above as being in hospice. Your demands were disturbing You attempted to place conditions on me by demanding that I take down everything and to move our conversation into the dark. Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." With respect, President, your question demonstrates that you either have forgotten the letter that I gave you to read in our November 2, 2014 meeting or At the time I was presented with a choice: Allow FairMormon to continue to unfairly and dishonestly publicly tarnish my name, integrity and character Ivins replies back to Runnells @ 6:15pm (screenshot): Bro. Middle row: Jennifer White, Jana Spangler, Natasha Helfer, and Kattie Niu Mount. communicate with you in writing would have made that clear. In fact, most of them have created versions of Mormonism that directly contradict the First Presidency's and Quorum of Twelve's version of Mormonism. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? Having laid out these important foundational points, I will now directly answer your questions: You ask: "What are you trying to accomplish in posting your doctrinal concerns across the internet.". Quitmormon.com has already had 913 submissions of resignation in the time since Sam's announcement barely a day ago. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". I just wanted the truth. You may appeal the decision of the disciplinary council to the First Presidency within 30 days. I had never heard of this. You ask: "Updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc.". President Ivins has never given me any mistakes to correct as required by Church Handbook for disciplinary actions. Runnells made the observation that it appeared that Ivins' interpreter offer was his Plan B only if Runnells showed up with his own interpreter and put up a fight. What's an investigation? I'm done with this court. What errors and mistakes are there in the CES Letter and on my website that I can publicly correct? 2. There are thousands and thousands of members who are struggling to get answers from the church to its foundational [24] Nielsen said, "I wrote 'Letter to an IRS Director' in the style (and in admiration) of 'Letter to a CES Director' because isolated, questioning Mormons need hours of immersive, binge-worthy, relatable, and rich content when their 'shelves begins to break. on the issues troubling so many Latter-day Saints - a conversation, by the way, these Mormon apologists started and initiated first with their attacks me. All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. seen as nothing short of Orwellian. However, because you're "not a historian," you were going They were wrong for over 130 years on the blacks. Many wonder if the Without a healthy marketplace where the free flow of information, ideas, and discussion exist, there is no true freedom. Unfortunately, no response ever came. I am resigning because the LDS Church and its foundational truth claims are just not true. I trust that you will be honorable and /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Mormon themes. church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. If you are sincere in your expressed desire to keep your Church membership and to explore answers to your LDS Church Postpones Court of Love Against Jeremy Runnells: I received an email this morning from my Stake President, Mark Ivins, indicating that the disciplinary council has been postponed until March 2016 - it This is not and never has been my intention. But go ahead, bash away. attack me. "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse" - Race and the Priesthood essay. First meeting ever with Stake President Mark Ivins, Runnells introduces himself and explains story of CES Letter, Runnells is surprised to see how poor Ivins' understanding of CES Letter and Essays verified issues are, Runnells gets Ivins to commit to reading the CES Letter before a follow up visit, This is a key important meeting in the whole Kangaroo process, Runnells tests Ivins on his reading/understanding of CES Letter, Ivins refused to give Runnells errors or mistakes in CES Letter but changes position after Runnells corrected him with Handbook "apostasy" definition, Asks if Runnells can come meet with Ivins in two days, Runnells responds that he can meet instead on March 15, 2016 due to family member in hospice, Runnells receives no text message back from secretary, Ivins blindsides Runnells with an unexpected phone call breaking Ivins' 1.5 year silence, Despite knowing before phone call that Runnells requested more time due to family member in hospice, Ivins still demands a meeting in 2 days because he "can't wait that long" (for March 15th), After first declining to disclose, Ivins reluctantly tells Runnells over the phone - much to Runnells' shock - that the suddenly urgent meeting was "in regards to your membership in the church", After some phone arm wrestling and a reminder of Runnells' 1.5 year patience, Ivins agrees to a March 15, 2016 meeting instead, Ivins decides to break January 25th gentleman's agreement, Completely blindsides and shocks Runnells with a Valentine's Day disciplinary council to be held that evening, Uses alarmingly vague insinuations and language such as "additional information" and "conduct unbecoming a member", which Runnells interprets as a character assassination attempt on the part of Ivins and the church, Runnells defends himself and defuses Ivins' vague insinuations and character assasination attempt by doing something Ivins should have done but which didn't: ask Temple worthiness questions, Runnells outlines his defense and history to give Ivins his position and perception that holding a disciplinary court against him is a grotesque injustice, Runnells holds a press conference to discuss Ivins' treatment toward him and Ivins' decision to hold a Valentine's Day evening disciplinary court against him. I relate this to you because as you consider your course of action, I want you to understand that you do not have to see yourself only as an enforcer. taken down and you will stop distributing your materials about the Church to others. You took out your handbook and read the In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. truth. I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of I have seen hats but no cattle. But a letter has to be sent and actually hand delivered to the person in question (usually a member of the Bishopric or the HPGL or EQP, at times) so that they are aware of the court and have ample time to prepare. days later stating that a court was being held against me because of "conduct unbecoming a member." 1. Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. I would like to receive your response about that, and about why Yes family and friends have abandoned me. Published materials and participated in interviews which have attempted to discredit the Church; Publicly expressed your view that the Church's scriptures are fraudulent; and. My limitation. In the letter they appended to Phelps's, Orson Hyde and John E. Page noted that Phelps did not have enough money to travel to Illinois to visit JS in person. Upon re-reading Ivins email, Runnells sees that it's not clear as to whether the March 15, 2016 meeting is still on. All You might not understand how deep the wound cuts. Regarding my membership in the Church and feelings regarding its leaders: My membership in the Church is valuable and important to me. To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. As fun as it was wrestling with these unofficial apologists and defenders, the reality at the end of the day is this: unofficial Mormon apologetics are sincere concern and a teacher bore his or her testimony as a response intended to avoid the issue.". I resign morally clean, honest with myself and my fellowmen, and with a clear conscience knowing in my heart that I have done what is right and I'd do it Who was the last person to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church? In 1989, George Lee, the first Native American to become a General Authority in the church, was excommunicated for apostasy and conduct unbecoming of a church member. 1.5 years of waiting and radio silence from President Ivins. I am confident that you will be able to hear and understand the proceedings. 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