In some warped wayI miss those daze. I served on carriers as well. BZ!!! The Arleigh Burkes had a new and stealthier hull design, but with essentially the same gas turbine propulsion plant and Aegis combat system. Mission Ready, Qualified & Competent, On Time Execution! I remember the swim call in Gatun Lake while heading west through the Panama Canal on SPRUANCE. My brother Roy and I were one of 2 sets of brothers that were plankowners on the David R. Ray. approx Age? As a kid, I used to sit at the old Point on Beach Boulevard and watch these sleek 563-foot long greyhounds birthed for Poseidons fox hunts. (LogOut/ When I saw the video of her sinking, water just started coming out of my eyes. Thank you for posting this. aft fire room brovo 3. Went through a yard period overhaul and upgrade in Pascagoula, MS. Learn how your comment data is processed. I was on the Briscoe, Did you go to Drubroknic, then Yugoslavia? My dad was running the sonar dept at Long Beach Naval Shipyard. Spruance-class destroyer USS Peterson (DD-969) with Soviet Moma AGS class survey vessel Nakhodka in the Sargasso Sea 1983 on the rescue op for Victor III-class SSN K-324. Mark Episkopos is a national security reporter for theNational Interest. Picked her up in Panama City just as she was deploying for her NSA ops in Gulf of Fonseca for the NSA. Both of them great ships. They were great ships and it broke my heart to see them be tossed aside like they were. The Navys planned next-generation destroyer, dubbed the DDG(X) program, is slated to replace the Ticonderoga-class cruisers. I learned a few yeas ago she ended up off the coast of Australia and is a fish reef. Yn3 Morris here mar 90- Sep 92. Even got to play on the gear in CIC!! Then dad failed the sonar gears performsnce and we went back to LB instead of San Diego. Had a similar mechanical upgrade been given to the 24-VLS equipped Spurances, they would all still be in service. We keep making under armed ships that will get folks on our side killed, and loose the battle. Switching on-the-fly from slow to fast was no problem, but we needed to warn our OSs about the damage risk of going from fast to slow without first doing a total stop, where braking would be properly applied. I was on Board the Fletcher 1993-1996 when I got out from active duty. I have fond memories of Pascagoula Ms. and the commissioning of her. 1/350 Scale Model Ships by JJ Model MakingIn todays 1/350 scale model fleet comparison, we have the USS Ticonderoga up against the Arleigh Burke class I honor this class on my facebook page. My dad was a sonar guru from the shipyard, and I went with. Best years of my life were on a Sprucan. 
Refitting with Aegis wouldnt happen. They whipped up a bogus hostile and even sounded some alarms for my benefit. The aluminium hull construction specifically. I hope all is well. The Navys planned next-generation destroyer, dubbed theDDG(X)program, is slated to replace the Ticonderoga-class cruisers. See yall there. DC2 Chris C. https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsDid you know MAC Robert Gonzales Plankowner on Hewitt? them go. Her story is typical of her class. Recalled for Desert Storm and worked the Pentagon intel jobsbest billet I ever had!!! Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. Evidently the Goodyear rubber dome window had irregularities and caused flow noise. A real shooter with aim. Didnt see your name listed there. Went from Talos, Long Range Fist of he Fleet to pop gun, NATO Sea Sparrow. Ingalls East Bank, Pascagoula, Six Spruance-class destroyers are being built at Ingalls Shipbuilding, Pascagoula, Mississippi. Middle name? What These Immortal Jellyfish Can Teach Us. Such a shame that they retired them early. 24 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers (Out of Print) Price $67.95 (Check for Availability No. https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.js, http://www.navsource.org/archives/11/0834.htm, Warship Wednesday: March 9, 2016 Blooming flowers for Agerholm | laststandonzombieisland, http://www.reunion16.wixsite.com/ussjohnyoung, Warship Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2020: Hannah on the Beach | laststandonzombieisland, Warship Wednesday, April 15, 2020: The Winged Spinach Can | laststandonzombieisland, East Bank buzzing again | laststandonzombieisland, Warship Wednesday: March 17, 2021, Shamrock Cans | laststandonzombieisland, A Closer Look at the FFG-62 Class | laststandonzombieisland, The Rat Attack! USS OBannon DD987 85-88, her sinkex is on youtube and the only thing I can say when I watched it was, those doing the sinking would be crapping themselves if I was still on board her shooting back, sad to see the young lady go down without a fight, and yes she could fight hard. There is this thing call Stress Corrosion Cracking (This is also a significant problem with the CGs as well). It was cheaper and more effective to scrap the SPRUANCEs in favor of an entirely new class of vessels who could exchange and manage battle space data much more efficiently. and a missile launcher on the fantail. This class represented one of the Navys early efforts to improve quality of life afloat for enlisted sailors (Time Magazine interviewed men on the Peterson), and also be more environmentally responsible (the Jared vacuum-suction sewage incineration system). The Navy retired them way too early. Great article! Email reunion@dd973.org for details, or visit website at http://www.reunion16.wixsite.com/ussjohnyoung. Great memories!!! Rob Wittman (R-VA) remains something of a wild card in this debate, having previously expressed concerns on both sides of the cruiser issue. My hat off to you sir, another tincan sailor. You wonder what our planners are thinking?? No less than 16 Spruance class destroyers are on the way. It also provides for two Virginia-class submarines, one Constellation-class frigate, and several more support/logistics ships. 
Instead of being crammed full of TLAMs, these new DDGs have to allocate most of their space to carrying surface to air missiles. I was with you onboard at the same time I live in mobile and was only 45 minutes away from home during her overhaul in pascagoula I was a gse you know she has a reunion coming up here in April here in Mobile too many hurgada visits for me during that red sea deployment did get to see some great action on that cruise though, Enjoyed reading. and retired from the Naval Reserve as well. Ingalls Shipbuilding, Pascagoula, Mississippi. I served on the Fletcher Dd-992 from 1993-1996. 
| laststandonzombieisland. BTW, I was on one of those Charles Adams class DDGs, the Goldsborough (DDG-20). 25 IJN Yamato (Out of Print) Price $99.00 (Check for Availibility) No. 
I too thought that they were decommed WAY too early. Today they have in commission: 22 remaining Ticos, 12 OHPs (that are largely disarmed and rapidly retiring), 4 (unproven) LCSs, and 62 Burke-class destroyers, the first of which was laid down on 16 September 1989. What a waste!!! 1996 Decommissioning of the Johnny Rod. The Navy's Next-Gen Guided-Missile Destroyer Is Backtracking On Stealth For Some Reason, Every Single Aircraft Carrier in the World. It is sad that these fine ships were scrapped or sunk with just 20 or so years of service. Vice-Chair and former Navy officer Rep. Elaine Luria (D-VA) argued that downsizing the cruiser fleet could carry dire consequences for the Navys near-term capabilities in the Pacific, especially in the midst of mounting Chinesethreats and provocationsagainstTaiwan. 
World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. (LogOut/ would have been able to serve another 10 or 15 years and update the engines and to get better has milage, Served on USS Yorktown CG48 and USS Stump DD978 in late 80s through mid-90s. Plankowner DD-963, Thank you for saying what needed to be said Captain. You probably know this, but Capt.Harbrect, Capt Lash, and Master Chief Huggins are still around Pascagoula, actually I think Capt Harbrect is in Fairhope, Alabama, https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsThen commander Lash was the best officer I ever had the honor to serve with. USS Cushing late in her career. 
USS JOHN YOUNG REUNION Dad and I slept in Commander Mullens cabin, and he took the XOs. The Navy has also expressed interest in uncrewed ships equipped with missiles as an inexpensive means of boosting fleet firepower. https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsAccording to NAVSOURCE.ORG a Sumner rated a crew of 336, still a tight squeeze. Rob Wittman (R-VA) remains something of a wild card in this debate, having previously expressed concerns on both sides of the cruiser issue. Controversially, the House mark does not prevent the Navy from retiring a slew of aging Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers. Served on the Ready Radford 86-89. I recall going through a storm that caused a 18 foot crack in the aluminum super structure. One of the first non-plank owners to board the ship, talking about feeling like an outsider. I am a plankowner on the USS VICKSBURG. The subcommittees mark of the fiscal year 2022 bill authorizes twoArleigh Burke-classguided destroyers, one more than the Navy requested. It still pisses me off to think of it. She is armed here with just her guns, torpedoes, ASROC, and a Sea Sparrow launcher. Drone anti submarine helicopters Unmanned helicopters capable of carrying nuclear depth charges. Would love to hear about a reunion, Plankowner on DD997 USS Hayler. Maybe Im too nostalgic, but I strongly feel the Navy wasted a perfectly good hull when it dumped the SpruCan. Best Regards Dave Stangland STG3 Plankowner USS John Young DD973, Pingback: Bring back the Garcias! https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsI worked on these boats in 1975, I find it hard to believe that they were decommissioned already!! Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own. CG69 Loved every minute of it sad to hear they are being scrapped. I served on the DD718, USS Hamner. The OHP I believe it was because of the so-called peace dividend after the Cold War. Later served aboard Leftwich till her move to Pearl.. Hey Guys, found this site VIA Pinterest, Read thorough the replies tonight 06/14/2021 I worked on the Eastbank as a welder on these ships in Pascagoula, MS 1977-1980. Was great ship and crew to serve with. We also had a major gunfire casualty due to a coke can being disposed inside of our fire control computer. Chief: I do believe we were on sister ships; Served on the Nick DD-982 from precom 78 till I left in82 as GSE1. What a waste to systematically rid the Navy of so many great ships. I remember one of the Key Selling points to Congress at the time was the Ships modular design. The first thing I thought, perhaps horribly, was that I hoped she wasnt alive to have seen it. Over 30 per cent of the gators were deommissioned, all of the CLF ships were decd or sent tot the MSC, and8 1/2 USARMY DIVSIONS (out of 18 2/3eds) WERE DECATIVATED. If left to normal attrition, most of the 27 olderArleigh BurkeClass destroyers, deprived of a few hundred million dollar service-life extension six years ago, will simply age out over the next 30 years. But they could all have been upgraded to the standard of the three DDGs based on the Spruance class. made it. Gone were the days of boilers and steam plants. Assigned DD968 USS AW Radford during Desert Shield/Storm, Pingback: Warship Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2020: Hannah on the Beach | laststandonzombieisland, Pingback: Warship Wednesday, April 15, 2020: The Winged Spinach Can | laststandonzombieisland. (I lster served just as dad did!! But retrofitting with Aegis I wouldnt think excessively cost prohibitive unless Lockheed and others wanted the good old arm and leg they like to charge. USS Comte De Grasse? The new destroyers definitely will have some features that reduce their radar signatures, but the omission is curious for a ship likely to serve as the backbone of the fleet into the 2070s. The House Armed Services Committees Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee iteration of the annual defense policy bill lays the groundwork for the retirement of several cruisers while giving the green light for the construction of an additional destroyer, as first reported by USNI News. SK2 Longtin I was on the USS John Rodgers DD983 and she died a death no ship should go through, she was scrapped at Brownsville TX shipyard. That is,if it is allowed to retire all of the cruisers that it wants in the timeframe that it seeks. The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Kidd (DDG 100) underway in the South China Sea. I was a plank owner on the DD986 USS Harry W. Hill. The cuts are widespread, but one place the axe falls hardest is upon the Navys large surface combatant fleet. I served on the USS Peterson (DD 969) 91 95. In their mind, getting rid of aging ships quickly would not only help pay for the huge cost of the Navys new Columbia Class (SSBN-826) ballistic missile submarines, but may also force the Navy to speed up the adoption of newer, lower-cost technologies that, in theory, move sailors from the front lines. A bit of a story first, Capt., then a thought about what you wrote. I believe the spru-cans could have been refurbished to another decade or more. DD 974 will forever live in my heart Sans Precedent ! A-gang. Plankowner USS Fletcher DD992 BM3 AlexRodriguez, I was a plank-owner on the USS Cushing (DD985), a fine ship! With Huge Funds From Its Allies, Ukraine Is Buying A Hundred Polish Fighting Vehicles With Powerful Autocannons, The United States Has Given Ukraine All The Heavy Trucks, Tankers And Recovery Vehicles the Ukrainians Need To Breach Russian Defenses, Desperate For Artillery, Ukraine And Russia Are Reactivating Guns From The 1940s And 50s. What were the major differences (other than between a DDG and DD)? Ten more of these had a 21 cell RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile launcher mounted on the starboard fantail to further protect these ships from more modern anti-ship missiles. Also, note the Phalanx CIWS mounts port and starboard. USS Comte de Grasse (DD-974), 1987-1991 it never quit, we were asea forever. What a platform. As Sea Sparrow I made Chief and selected tor 8 when I went ashore. Deck Department: 1st Div (Glennon DD-840 and Belleau Wood LHA-3). Well these ships were fun to drive and both of them shot a lot of Tomahawks when I was on them. https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsThe 40B was a functional equivalent of the original 40 (essentially same cabinets/controls) but with solid-state upgrades in most of the modules. One of the finest ships I served on. We nearly ran onto a reef in the Caribbean when the Omega system skipped lanes and gave us false navigation plots. Having said that, the optional payload module apparently includes launch silos. We had HTs constantly chasing cracks in our starboard side helo hanger. Slowly but surely since the 80s the Department of Defense has for some ungodly reason stuck its head in the sand. Divide that into a billion for a new Burke. The Republic of China Navy now operates the four Kidd class DDGs. Connelly for a few short weeks. Great Ships. CMC Bill DuVal (FC). But what hurt was the De commissioning before I retired from the navy. USS John Young (DD-973) Email: Reunion@dd973.org. (USN photo) The problem is that Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers are on It also provides for two Virginia-class submarines, one Constellation-class frigate, and several more support/logistics ships. But then again how many times were we spending money like a drunken sailor in the PI on payday the last quarter of the year so that our budget didnt get reduced next year. Never served aboard any of these ships or in the Navy, but I always admired these ships. However, those ships are not coming until around the fiscal year 2028. I served on USS Oldendorf DD 972. I am so disheartened and can only shake my head. I went to sea overnight with him. WebThe Block IV missile, also called the Tactical Tomahawk, was first fielded in 2004 and now is on board Ticonderoga -class cruisers, Arleigh Burke class destroyers, and Zumwalt -class destroyers. Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! Still, not everyone on the House committee seems to be on the same page regarding the fate of the Navys cruisers. Next duty station was Fleet Training Group Guantanamo Bay, Cuba from November 1991-June 1995 as a shipboard instructor on Perry class Frigates, Spruance class Destroyers, and Ticonderoga class Cruisers. But in order to build all those new Burks you have to get rid of the cheap fix. I do believe that generation of ships will prove to be the best all around ship designs any NAVY has floated, so far. Terrific to hear from you! Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! All rights reserved. We served her well, too. Commissioned her as an ETC, Departed a year later as an LDO Ensign. I served on the USS F B Parks DD-884(Gearing class destroyer). If the Flight III Burke really does replace the Tico's then they may no longer fall under the "Arleigh Burke Class" designation and will probably be called cruisers. 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