Groups need leadership. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Thought that was resolved with the Nicene Creed? Btw, Piper thinks Wilson is brilliant and everybody around him is dumb. And who, of all people, have picked up on just how much these two love each other? And, thankfully, the backlash to Wilson has been vehement and loud and sustained enough, particularly from his close neighbors in his small town who actually know enough about him, to all but neuter this old bull. I have trouble believing ANYONE could be on such a creeps side as this one. She cried and asked him to stop Perhaps this kind of pushback is what caused Doug Wilson to post his 'Season of Meditation'. Leaders are not the Good Shepherd. And that sort of humor never brings a smile to my face. It would be hard to claim girlfriend/boyfriend gone wrong, for a few reasons. Nor did it even cross my mind to tell my parents. Given the sin, that is what should happen. (I disagree about the wrongness of calling adults sweet. Resides in Visalia, CA. Back to the basics for a minute. I think it is C. S. Lewis that wrote about the different uses of humor, and I have never once read Wilson use humor in a redemptive way, that builds up and encourages. Because he has always been in love with himself neither of these realities dissuade him from kissing his shaving mirror every morning and trotting out to spread his baloney far and wide. I agree, LawProf. The woman and the man both belong to God, equally. So the extreme fringe has been pattering around on the supposedly non-extreme sites for some time. It was VERY attractive. Why choose one and not the other? When I read your posts on a different thread, I figured that perhaps people were misinterpreting what you were sharing, as being on the perps side. Smart move! I am despondent, but not surprised, to hear that the Gospel Coalition is advertising this. Yet, it would be wise for us to reserve ulitmate judgment. One thing I have wondered is whether there are other women or girls out there beside this plaintiff? Thanks to the Deebs and everyone for the safe space here. Not sure I understand your reply. We talk a lot about perps and victims, but IMO the enablers also need to take a good look at themselves. You are a hero of the faith. Also learn how He earned most of networth at the age of 55 years old? PS So glad 2 hear of consistency of accounts. And enraging. And if we look at Christian publishing in that era, many books on Christian worldview and academic perspectives were being released. Quaint. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. If Wilson is the intellectual wing of evangelicalism, I despair. @ Nancy: I have read about Vision Forum. We cant have it both ways. Totally awesome. Sometimes it takes being face to face with the people who can call out the lies in order for others to see the truth even if the teller of tales doesnt get it himself or herself, other than knowing that they got caught. So sorry about all of this stress!! I am currently in the wilds of Wisconsin-40 F and raining. Just like Casey Anthony, I believe that Phillips is guilty and it is not based on reading one article in the Huffington Post. ! Meanwhile, anyone who looks to/commends the thinking of Doug Wilson (i.e. I have no way of knowing. Even sarcasm can be funny if its used properly (and probably sparingly). I dont know, maybe now/then. And the Law only brings death; it cannot save, sanctify, or sustain. Please take a moment to review the rules listed in our sidebar. The article I linked yesterday quotes at length from Michael Farris's reaction to Doug Phillips downfall. Or were our biblical views of women gradually eroded by the modern feminist movement that has infiltrated the Church? R.C. The fact that he is much older, married, and her employer, for one. The church found out and covered it up. On Season 1 of the Lifetime original series, Otis and Hehner got off to a rough start, with Otis saying she. Complementarianism is evolving into patriarchy. I am thinking, and here is the point I am making, that anybody (that would be anybody for any reason) who sends anybody (self, child, religious follower, anybody) out to run with the pack unprepared to deal with this aspect of humanity is an enabler of the destructive results of unbridled sex / aggression. Just to play devils advocate for a moment, was the ad actually endorsed by TGC (as I expect) or did it just pop up? Getting back to Doug Wilson, he got so much commentary under his Vice, Victims, and Vision Forum post that he wrote a follow-up article entitled: Vision Forum and a Season of Meditation. Funny thing is, MANY of Mr. Chancey and his ilk who liked to take such photos were often affiliated with questionable Christian missions organization like that of Brad Phillips (Douglas Phillps Esq.s brother) or this other moron preacher with a penchant for self-aggrandizement. On her terms, she was seduced into a compromised position and conflicted state of mind. Faith Evangeline's instagram is sewingtreble, Doug's fb page is https://www.facebook.com/cinemaofwonder/. Why is it, folks, that having the proper anti-gay beliefs is the most important Gospel marker out there? So do my sons and so will my daughters.. @ Rafiki: Historically it took a hunting party, not just one person, to venture from the cave / village / small nomadic group and deal with finding food / killing the enemy / finding sexual partners. @ Rafiki: Now that's a very interesting statement coming from such a patriarch What are your thoughts? They ARE NOT the keepers of the truth in this situation. While I was looking for a particular fastener for my lawnmower, two older, gruff looking men were looking in the same area. This is a HUGE problem, and so little is done to address it. And, thankfully, the backlash to Wilson has been vehement and loud and sustained enough, particularly from his close neighbors in his small town who actually know enough about him, to all but neuter this old bull. If these guys can do it, so can I! How to Resign from a Church It seems conservative evangelicalism is going where it has never gone. It is a process filled with responsibility, beginning to end. His sexual orientation is straight. We have such dowdy dimly-lit leaders that when someone comes along who enjoys playing around, it can seem like brilliance. @ Rafiki: Muff, I was personally pleased by the ruling earlier this week by the 2nd US Court of Appeals, a step in the right direction of desperately-needed transparency: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/21/us-release-memo-anwar-al-awlaki-drone-killing. He holds degrees in Medical Technology, Computer Programming and Theology. Yes, that is my point. Re the consent vs non-consent aspect, I think, once your refusal has been ignored and steamrollered aside repeatedly, its no longer worth the fight and the sooner it gets over with, the better. On November 11, 2013, Vision Forum Ministries' board of directors discontinued operations citing "serious sins" which prompted Phillips' resignation. I have known you for 23 years. That said, I thought his letter of resignation was good, and accomplished what a letter like that needed to accomplish. I see a difference between lying and not telling the full truth. Awwww.How about herbal beverage, or a nice sherry? Big relief to hear all that you said. Everywhere you find silencing, shaming and shunning for the sake of any sector of the American Evangelical brand, all you have to do is follow the money. phillphill. We will update Doug Phillips's Height, weight, Body Measurements, Eye Color, Hair Color, Shoe & Dress size soon as possible. It does not matter if the leaders philosophy leads to the destruction, enslavement or damnation of the weak because only the strong survive / only the chosen get to heaven / only those in the group get the food and water and sexual opportunities. And thats all that matters because he is all that matters. I wish one of these men would ask me if Im a feminist. I can see from your example how the term sweet can be used in a condescending manner. "[2], On November 17, 2014, Phillips was excommunicated from Boerne Christian Assembly, the church that he founded. Please comment on this. According to the 1942 OSS psych profile, foreign witnesses described the Nuremberg Rallies as revival meetings. Yes, Phillip Schofield is still married to his wife Stephanie. He is a member of famous with the age 57 years old group. And here Id say the essence of that kind of gnostic community is an overfocus on gnosis. And some of the key destructive features in the Erudite faction are: an amoral base where knowledge is valued regardless of how it is obtained, contempt, dehumanization, no true value on all human life (sort of people-as-experiments), etc. Press J to jump to the feed. , someone mentioned that Doug Phillips had warned his church about impending economic catastrophe. (not to go off-topic of anything). He is quite skilled in superficial social relationships. Doug Wilson is a misogynistic moron. My husband calls me sweetie. lol. The course of true love doesn't always run smooth, and the best of marriages has its ups and downs, as actress Busy Phillips, famous for her role a Laurie Keller in the hit series "Cougar Town" can attest.. Busy Philipps has been married since 2007 to screenwriter and director Marc Silverstein, and they share two children, but their relationship has gone through some difficulties. leadership has all sorts of formal tie$ to church leaders and clearly has a $take in $weeping everything under the rug. Oh, and it must not have been that bad because she didn't become a quivering, post traumatic mess who feared to so much as look at a man. She told him no, which would mean she told him his fault when alone. But I do understand from this case, that Lourdes often told Doug to stop it, that she would have derived no personal pleasure from being semened-upon, and that she was the one who finally put a stop to it. http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2012/10/11/abuse-and-the-wilsonian-theology-a-survivors-story/. In 2014, Michael Farris, the chairman and cofounder of the Home School Legal Defense Association, criticized the biblical patriarchy beliefs of his former HSLDA colleague Doug Phillips, and said he regrets not speaking out against him sooner. Yes, I had not thought of that, but it fits right in. (rare) A man who molests women, as in a subway. (And Rafiki) so so so sorry for my lack of tact!! Cold hearted patriarch begets cold-hearted patriarch. Doug Phillips, who is married with eight children, has announced he was stepping down from his Vision Forum Ministries, which is based in San Antonio, Texas. From an outsider looking in, it definitely seems like she (Faith) and Doug have common interests in cosplay, the performing arts, and a certain aesthetic. The thing is, and I think another commenter alluded to this: This Book was never intended to be the do-it-all-yourself manual that its been elevated to be in this particular camp. What happened? It's only Doug's history that makes it all seem a bit weird. All I could picture when that was announced was how congested the airspace would be around major cities at Christmastime. Her incapacity is allegedly the result of the whole patriarchal world that she was enveloped in. I think its his best feature, not because he doesnt have a good mind, but because he doesnt care about using his intellect with integrity. a fashionable man, a dandy, a fop But I do understand from this case, that Lourdes often told Doug to stop it, that she would have derived no personal pleasure from being semened-upon, and that she was the one who finally put a stop to it. And God is on their side just like Hes on the widows side. According to The Christian Post, Vision Forum, Inc., Phillips' for-profit business, "appeared to have a liquidation sale" in December 2013. Im glad we got to the heart of what you were saying being a sexual abuse victim myself, I can see shame or cognitive malfunction holding a person back from disclosing every little detail consistently, but the cool part is that this is likely a case where the perpetrator will likely just trap himself quickly, and then things will come to light. Here is the definition for the word, dia, which is translated as for. Bezos idea for delivery drones is a bit too weird for the US U.P. Folks with the mindset of Doug Wilson are beyond scary. I see the drone idea, in any country, as just as crazy as marketing a Chevy Nova in Spanish speaking countries, and after MPs comment, far more insensitive. Church Discipline My main fear for Torres case is not that the situation will be viewed as an affair gone sour, but that the jury will not adequately grasp how cultic BCA was/is. Secondly, his question, even if his first premise actually was correct, sets up a false dichotomy. When will it end as conservative become radical becomes heretical? He neglected to hear the church. Aug. 11 2021, Published 3:32 p.m. Ive read some of your stuff online, here/there, and its a delight to read because of what you can make words do. Jamie Otis and Doug Hehner tied the knot on March 23, 2014, during the shooting of Season 1 of Married at First Sight. Was not trying to be too profound here. Doug Wilsons daughter makes some good points. the kingly majesty of the Messiah Jamie and Doug proved that putting work into their relationship paid off and they are still happily married today. I have been pondering the same thing, and I am praying that if there are other victims they will have the courage to come forward. If enough of his ilk head for the American Redoubt, he just might get elected. Even if we think that Lourdes consented (which I dont), Phillips disgusting actions are a violation of the Texas penal code. are VICTIMS. On the legal aspect of this, it is usually not good to predict the outcome of lawsuits unless one knows all of the facts. I. through A. of place 1. with 2. in B. of time 1.throughout 2. during Is your daughter ever likely to encounter more than three men in the course of her life? You say that you were only going at most 30.5 mph and not 45 mph. No matter what a victim does, no matter how we might see their behavior of somehow having put themselves in harms way they were not the ones who decided to commit immoral/illegal/unconscionable acts. Doug Phillips' Resignation from Vision Forum, http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2012/11/doug-wilson-almost-channels-eric-cartman.html, http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2012/10/11/abuse-and-the-wilsonian-theology-a-survivors-story/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Redoubt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wesley_Rawles, http://kbotkin.com/2014/04/22/vice-victims-and-doug-wilson/#comment-3602, https://web.archive.org/web/20071011032036/http://www.dougsplotch.com/blackjack.htm, http://www.newwest.net/main/article/two_child_molestation_scandals_break_over_moscows_christ_church/, Lourdes Torres-Manteufel vs Doug Phillips Lawsuit Informational Resource Page | Spiritual Sounding Board, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/04/letter-re-another-patriots-boo.html, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/06/notes-from-jwr-686.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjoNucs20Vw, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sault%20ste.%20marie, http://frombitterwaterstosweet.blogspot.com/2011/02/keep-sweet-conspiracy.html, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+1&version=NASB, =#comment-140951 title=Go to comment of this author>Rafiki, http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4018&t=KJV, http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/sobbin-women-and-a-rubber-duck-ellynns-story/, http://www.yourerie.com/news/news-article/d/story/baca-taking-a-stand-against-child-abuse/20952/EdDOsC1UJ0CvKJj3yjbXhA, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_UUNSskzU&feature=em-share_video_user, Doug Wilson Says Slavery Was Good For Americas Blacks. His wife was dutifully sitting by his side. I dont know who is lying; they both could be lying. I can hardly believe the ignorance! Did we suddenly find some biblical truth to which the saints for thousands of years were blind? What this was (as far as is currently apparent) was a completely one-sided case of sociopathic entitlement. I find it interesting to consider the various charismas out there, what will take in one person and not another. Very much agreed Ardiak. Ive said the same about Jerry Seinfeld: . Thanks for the explanation. . The charisma, thats another matter. Any fool can use humor to be cruel and self-justifying, which is the only way I have ever seen him use it. I am retired from the University of Idaho, and enjoy a life that includes a lot of wildlife watching (I leave seven miles east of Moscow in a tiny little valley). However, in the nearly three decades since The Boss married E Street Band member Patti Scialfa, many have forgotten than Springsteen was briefly married to actress Julianne Phillips in the 1980s. . But the stereotype also fails because a person who has no heart loses intelligence. And here is visual proof of highly Piper regards Wilson. Have you read Divergent. Sexual abuse is an attack on the core of a person and it creates shock and massive confusion. The charges could be grossly exaggerated which would mean that Torres is lying, just like the police officer who claims you are going 45 mph in a 30 mph zone. But the way it is being handled is causing Gods name to be slandered among the heathen (and the church). Doug and Jackie's wedding wouldn't be the wildest moment of their relationship. Average folks are so incredibly exhausted of the continuing insecurity. who plays doug's wife in the liberty mutual commercial. The more public the figure, the more public the rebuke. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: So I guess he really is on the perps side? But becoming evangelicalisms new apologist does not change the kinds of biological vestiges our priestly and bloody ancestors have bequeathed to this valiant defender of Gods rule and crown. How to buy a Gospel Centered Ford Pinto ROFL!!! Probably wont until the Big Box is over. [4], Phillips resigned as president of Vision Forum on October 30, 2013 after acknowledging a "lengthy relationship with a woman" which was "inappropriately affectionate and romantic. I may have hopes about the outcome. The same Rawles who, last time I checked, provided a list of survivalist-friendly churches (almost all Reformed Baptist) on his website? Here is more fake mutuality, in the New York Times: Connecticut Teenager Is Fatally Stabbed by Fellow Student, Police Say, Investigators are looking into reports that a dispute over the junior class prom prompted the attack that killed Maren Sanchez, 16. It does not matter if the strong leader is right so much as that he appears to be strong. Doug Phillips Bio Doug Phillips is a father of 3 and a husband to his brilliant wife, Becca. Genuine genius and wisdom require a blend of brain/heart. People (that would be our species) do not survive well in isolation. I will grant that information could come out in court that we dont know, but unless Im misinterpreting something, that TX statute seems to state pretty clearly that pastor-parishioner/counselor-counselee affairs constitute abuse, period, because consent is too impaired by the imbalance of power. He often will be good to those who are loyal to him (as long as they are) since they reflect his glory back to him. Phillips is a follower of Christian Reconstructionism, a movement whose seminal figure is Calvinist theologian R.J. Rushdoony, who died in 2001. But when compared to, say, Gary North, James Dobson, John Piper, Al Mohlerwell, at least theres something going on in Doug W. Maybe thats it. they must still be family-centered and must be dropped after marriage to take care of their home, . Besides, everyone is not going to believe her anyway. Marie2 wrote:(I disagree about the wrongness of calling adults sweet. The evangel itself, of course, will never die it lives on in the only place it has ever lived and will ever live the hearts of the poor in spirit. Bringing it all back to the lawsuit filed by Lourdes Torres-Manteufel, assuming the timeline put together with the help of insiders is accurate, Doug Phillips was FIRST confronted about the appearance of improprieties with the then Ms. Torres in 2008, a full five years before he confessed to an improper relationship. I will not be surprised if something else comes to light. Our youngest daughter, Leah was married this week to Alexei, a wonderful young man! I think his wit is wretched because it is mean, snide and self-aggrandizing. Well, you do know that they took her Sunday School class of four year olds away from her after all those years, and gave it to you-know-who. I tried to interject something about Matt Chancey, who won that Old Spice Man of the Year competition some years back, but no one seems to be commenting on it. They know it makes them look like wild-eyed apocalypse types. is part of a long-dead movement. Women cant win in such a system because the submission doctrine is enforced to such a degree that they are to blame for everything. How did that happen? For a girl being raised in that community, this lesson hits home since she was trained to believe and follow the leader who knows better.. We cannot accuse Vision Forum of treating all women like little girls, and then turn around and treat all women as little girls who cant be expected to say no to a cad at Vision Forum. And so you have a magnet for those whose iron is set toward wanting intellectual consistency, theological validity, and practical guidance for navigating in the wild frontiers of a post-Christendom world. As for headcoverings supposedly being universal rather than cultural, this out to blow that one right out of the water: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/1%20Cor11%20head%20covering%20testicle.pdf. Despite his best efforts, in my view, Doug is tenuously perched on the third (or lower) tier of Neo-Calvinism big hitters. All that. Reply . Hester is correct about the movement being proposed by James Wesley Rawles. I understand what youre saying and there is value in teaching our children to speak out, etc., but at most it will divert some predators to other victims. Stollar, HA Community Coordinator In a curious turn of events, Beall Phillips wife of disgraced homeschool leader Doug Phillips, who was accused of sexual assaulting his family's nanny has come out swinging against HSLDA's Michael Farris. Doug did not hear her. Your caricature of our views would be humorous if it were not so grossly offensive. He offers a dangerous and demeaning theology that has enormous appeal to men with fragile egos and weak self esteem.
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